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Re: LGBT

Post by Claire on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:21 pm

You can fuck with me anytime you want, Cap'n...

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ALL OF THE HOMO!

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Re: LGBT

Post by Zane the pure on Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:41 pm

oh thats nice, Nemo finally spilled the beans to his- eeewwwwuuuhhhhh!?

ah, had to do it sorry...
Good for you bro, but srs question time,
do I call you Nemo-"chan" now? ^._.^

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Post by Claire on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:10 am

It's all up to anyone whether or not they want to refer to me as female, but I would like it if you refer to me as 'her' instead of him. Sounds weird to say, but I've been very open about my condition since I opened up on Facebook. So' if you would like to call me a 'she' instead of 'he', then I will have no objections. :3

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Re: LGBT

Post by Archangel on Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:04 am

I don't know if I would call it a "condition"

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Re: LGBT

Post by Zane the pure on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:36 am

sounds more like a shift in personality to me, a welcome one at that I must say.

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Re: LGBT

Post by The Cap'n on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:23 pm

I'd go with "gender preferance".

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Re: LGBT

Post by Tainted Dreamz on Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:39 am

Congrats on everything going well when telling your family Nemo ^^ It's so nice to see family being supportive, especially when nothing has changed really, your still the same person on the inside, I just hope everything else goes well for you too Smile

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Re: LGBT

Post by Zane the pure on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:55 pm

Well congrats to you nemo, glad you can accept yourself. Still have a few more questions if you'd be up to answering, but I understand if not.

Since this is the topic about it, I'd like to get y'all's opinions about the
Marriage vs Union debate.

I personally have no problems with a civil union between any two people.

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Post by Archangel on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:17 am

same here, doesn't bug me

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Re: LGBT

Post by Claire on Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:16 am

@Zane, well, it's a ton easier to answer on here than in person. But, that's cause we easily end up in arguments. lol

As for the Marriage/Union thing...I am not Christian, so it isn't up to me to say whether or not anyone has the right to get married to each other simply because they are in love. The concept of marriage in my mind is to show the other person how much you truly care for them by stating you want to spend the rest of your life with them, and you request the same of them by proposing. But, I haven't ever studied the bible since the writing always confused me and by the time I could comprehend the text, I had no longer believed in the religion, so I really don't have an opinion on this.

I will say that everyone has the right to be with whomever they want for the rest of their lives, and the right to be legally tied together in some way or another. I DON'T think that marriage should be outlawed, since it is a religious topic, and the last time we let religion into law, Salem lost half its population. But whatev...

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Post by Zane the pure on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:35 am

Well as far as marriage, there's a small qualm about the issue of whether the marriage is church based or not. The old testament had a passage that stated one shall not lay with his fellow man the way he would with his lover, but nowadays you'll find that most nondenominational church organizations will overlook the old testament's code outlined in Leviticus I think... and take more of a position of tolerance that was made so crucial in the new testament.

I personally think that a "Christian Marriage" is strictly between the opposite sex due to it being a direct commandment in the scriptures, but as far as non-church marriages...

Aside from proclaiming the wish to stand side by side through eternity, it is also a legal bond that ties insurance, finance, and credit together, almost like a business partnership. From what I understand of civil unions, it is basically the more legally binding side of what would be considered a marriage and I'm a-okay with that, and the two can love each other forever, doesn't bother me really.

I suppose my position on gay marriage depends on whether the couple is seeking a church organized wedding, or a more secular (but equally binding) marriage, but civil unions (in as much as I understand) I support.

[I suppose the questions that I mentioned will wait till next post, this one might be a little TL:DR]

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Post by Claire on Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:00 am

TL:DR? Explain, padawan. Your terms are foreign to me. If it's length, then go right ahead.

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Re: LGBT

Post by Zane the pure on Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:43 am

TL;DR = Too long didn't read, but I was referring to the post itself rather than the questions.

For starters:
1. Has your openness changed your opinion of surgical procedures?
2. Have you told your girlfriend?
3. Though I assume this hasn't changed your preferences, might I be wrong?
4. Ack, it's been too long, I'mma hafta remember the others before moving on

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Post by Just_Smile on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:42 am

I think gay people should be able to marry for the church if they want to Smile It seems a bit unfair if they have less rights than a straight couple, just because of their sexual preference. Didn't Jesus say we should accept people like they are ?

Anyway, this is a bit different, but there was an American comedy on TV a short while ago. It was about a gay man. I actually liked it, but one scene really shocked me. He was a teacher, and the children of his class were argueing wether they'd help him or not because they just found out he was gay o.o..... So rude to even put such a thing in a movie ! We also had a gay teacher last year and he was one of the best. But maybe that's because of differences in cultures ? I understand that there are a lot of people who are very religious, but religion wasn't really a theme in the story ( except for a wedding ) and that surpised me.

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Re: LGBT

Post by Zane the pure on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:08 pm

Just_Smile wrote:I think gay people should be able to marry for the church if they want to Smile It seems a bit unfair if they have less rights than a straight couple, just because of their sexual preference. Didn't Jesus say we should accept people like they are ?

Accepting them, and letting them do things that subvert fundamental principles are a tad different, though I understand why they desire a church marrige, and some people support that. I don't, that's all... hell I'm not to keen on any marriage, but thats another story/reason entirely.


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Post by Archangel on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:08 pm

ok Zane, you piqued my interest, you must explain, why aren't you keen on any marriage?

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Post by Zane the pure on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:58 am

Ah, consider me very different from my peers. Whilst everyone I know is off looking for a boy/girl-friend, I specifically scorn any "romantic" and or "sexual" relationship because it's far more trouble than any benefit. As far as marriage, I think to many people rush in, regardless of age and are to blame for the rising rate of divorces. Too many people don't know what love is and become blinded by what they misconstrue as eternal love. I try not to be too cynical because plenty of people have found happiness with their mate and that's perfect. I see way too much seriousness in the age group I'm around. Everyone I know considers dating to be finding someone they like, hooking up with them and riding the train as far as it goes. Dating to me, is finding people to have a good time with so you can explore "yourself" more intimately and develop a better understanding of love, as well as practice for the real deal when you're older.

To be honest, I misstated a bit eariler. It's not that I despise marriage (that's against my faith to begin with) I feel that too many, upon too many people dupe themselves into something that won't last.

As for myself, I had previously believed the right person for me didn't exist, but a recent development made it clear that the "right person" is patiently waiting for the opportune moment, and that I can let things flow naturally.

Sorry, I just couldn't help but feel this belonged elsewhere... but there it is.

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Post by Archangel on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 pm

no that's fine. I agree that most ppl do rush into marriages too quickly and don't quite understand what marriage means. I just thought your post meant that you were opposed to marriage as a whole.

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Post by Zane the pure on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:18 am

Yeah, I thought it sounded like that, but I had business to attend to before I could edit it.

I suppose while I'm waiting on answers, I'd like to pose the question generally
At what age would you consider some "able" to realize their sexuality?
Some people seem to think that Fate just makes them gay, rather than it being a conscious decision. When do think people can tell whether they are, or whether or not they are deciding to quickly before their persona develops?

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Post by Claire on Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:55 pm

1: NO, my basic principle is, "Whatever you're born with, you're stuck with". Because surgery can change the outer appearance until I look like Shania Twain, but the fact of the matter is, my birth name will always be BRYAN, and it will never read anything different. I'll never be able to recall having a truly memorable childhood. My body won't go through all the changes that women go through. And most importantly, I'll remember my life as Bryan and it will never change, no matter what surgery may change.

2: Yes, she knew about it 2 or 3 months after we started dating.

3: Hell no. I hate guys and that will NEVER change.

On the topic on realizing one's true identity based on age, I realized who I was at the age of 12. I personally believe it's a choice. I could live as a guy the rest of my life, but I would much PREFER it if I didn't.

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Post by Zane the pure on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Ah,

4. Has accepting this side of you, given way to a more feminine perspective?
5. Do you ever dress in a feminine manner?
6. Has accepting yourself made you closer to your friends or do you feel a barrier?
7. If I referred to you with a female pronoun would how would you take it?

more in a while, and feel free to reject any question you're not up to answering.

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Post by Claire on Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:57 pm

Nah, ISS cool.

4: Depends on my mood. In the morning, I'll always be an asshole, though. Just how my mind works, really.

5: My girlfriend constantly lets me borrow her clothes. She takes mine as well, so there's a balance. :p

6: Depends on the friends.

7: Please don't, you hardly use pronouns with me, anyway. It would sound weird to hear you say "Mister" in my direction.

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Post by Boko_The_Holy_Knight on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:30 pm

Mister brian... Lol
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Post by Zane the pure on Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:20 pm

Nah, more or less he/she/whatever and his/hers, eh it would have been easier to understand had been uttered rather than typed.

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Post by Zane the pure on Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:52 am

double post to bring this board ALIIIIIIIIIIVE!

8. In what manner do envision your true appearance, physically, personally, and practically

If you still don't mind answering of course...

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