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Post by Archangel on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:12 am

what do you think they should be?

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Post by RYCloud92 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:21 pm

It depends on locale and circumstances. I suppose low income areas with a high crime rate should allow it's citizens to acquire small fire arms for their own defence. Higher tier stuff such as Shotguns/rifles should be allowed for shop owners in previous mentioned locales.

However on the side no matter what the model or firepower a fire arm is still a fire arm and without the right precautions accidents will happen.

Of course the biggest thing that would need to be improved on in any country that allows its civilians to be armed/have a firearm license is stricter background and personality checks (that way unhinged nutbars can't get their hands on them)

Besides that though I really don't know much about the laws concerning offensive weapons so I couldn't suggest anything more strict that needs to be done with them. I know it's more of an american thing and has something to do with the amendments, I also know that their are sides to keep that right and sides to get rid of it. (I personally don't understand the need for every citizen to have the right to arm themselves)

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Post by Zane the pure on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:33 pm

The only people who won't have a gun are innocent people. It's an irresponsible thought that if we take away the right to bear arms, no one will have a gun. They're criminals already, what's to stop them from breakling one more law.

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Post by Archangel on Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:04 pm

no, but that doesn't mean that you can't make it more difficult for them to obtain the weapon, rather than just stopping into bass pros shop and buying one no big deal

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Post by Claire on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:38 pm

In Texas, anyone can have a gun as long as they acquire the license for it. I think the age limit is 18, though, can't remember.

I think accidents would decrease if people follow four basic principles when handling a gun.

1: Always treat a gun as if it were loaded, unless YOU YOURSELF have checked it.

2: Always be sure of your target. Meaning take into account of everything around the target, as well.

3: Keep finger off the trigger, until you have lined your sight on the target.

4: Never point a gun at anything unless you intend to destroy it.

Now, that has no point for people who purchase guns ONLY to destroy, but it would keep accidents from occuring, I think. "People need to stop thinking of guns as weapons, and think of them as tools", to quote my stepfather. Someone can do just as much damage with a cigarette lighter and a combustible fluid.

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Post by Erel on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:47 pm

^I concur.

'Guns don't kill people. People kill People.'

How's that?

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But on the same notion, I concur with Zack with the idea that civilians have no need for assault rifles.

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Post by Archangel on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:20 am

but to debate your point nemo: it is much quicker to kill a theatre with an assault rifle than it would be to pour combustible fluid all over the place, and then set it ablaze

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Post by Claire on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:13 pm

True, and I do believe there needs to be stricter guidelines for obtaining a gun license, although I don't believe we should outlaw them. Not saying you meant that, but I wanted my opinion out of the way.

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Post by Captain Venku on Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:46 pm

One, the term 'assault rifle' is incorrect, if you are going to use 'assault rifle', use 'military grade rifles'. Two, at the time of the Constitution, hunting rifles were considered military grade rifles. Take an standard AR-15. It looks like a military grade rifle, and it is, and unless you have a tactical stamp (something that costs close to 300 dollars a year) it will be semi-automatic, meaning one trigger pull means one bullet fired. But the round fired by an AR-15 is a .223, or a 5.56 NATO (there is a difference, don't ask me to explain). Now, you can take a .223 round and fire it out of a different semi-automatic rifle that looks like a hunting rifle. Same exact round, different gun. Point is that one looks like a scary weapon of war, the other looks like a hunting rifle, but they shoot the same round. The point I am making is that what you see on the news is propaganda for an agenda that is to disarm all Americans. For what reason, I don't know. The reason for owning military grade rifles is to counter the government having them. Read the Constitution. It's in there. Does that mean that we can have fighter jets and atomic bombs? I think as long as they maintain responsibility with these weapons, get proper training and what not, why not? An armed law-abiding citizen of the US is not a threat to anyone but to those dirtbags that break the law, or corrupt politians that think that its ok to break laws themselves.

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Post by Hanpan on Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:07 am

I feel any gun owner or person who had access to another person's gun, should have to take a psychoanalysis every six months. It might avoid these tragedies.

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Post by Captain Venku on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:41 am

That is a violation of people privacy. People who do these things aren't crazy, they know exactly what they are doing. It just makes people think that they are crazy because then it isn't normal.

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Post by Archangel on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:54 pm

@Venku--so it is ok to let these "normal" citizens as you put it, have these weapons, and then one day they just decide to shoot up an elementary school for the hell of it. I don't think so. I don't care what the technical name is for any of these weapons, now more than ever, weapons that aren't meant for hunting should be outlawed for citizens. Period. And if you want to buy guns for hunting or whatever, there should be background checks, licenses, etc to go through to obtain them. Too many senseless deaths have become of this. Also, invasion of privacy happens everyday, big deal, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. You seem to forget that in these last two instances both murderers were "law-abiding citizens" until they opened fire on so many innocent lives...

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Post by The Cap'n on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:50 pm

Archangel wrote:so it is ok to let these "normal" citizens as you put it, have these weapons, and then one day they just decide to shoot up an elementary school for the hell of it. I don't think so. I don't care what the technical name is for any of these weapons, now more than ever, weapons that aren't meant for hunting should be outlawed for citizens. Period. And if you want to buy guns for hunting or whatever, there should be background checks, licenses, etc to go through to obtain them. Too many senseless deaths have become of this. Also, invasion of privacy happens everyday, big deal, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. You seem to forget that in these last two instances both murderers were "law-abiding citizens" until they opened fire on so many innocent lives...

^^Fucking this.

But there still is the argument that crazy people can still get their hands on their friends or parents guns. But there needs to be stronger gun laws. The only reason to have a semi or fully automatic weapon is if you are in the military and if you are on active duty in a warlike situation. Nothing more. Why the fuck do you need this big ass "I don't fucking care about the name of weapons" sniper if you don't even hunt? To make you feel strong? I believe in the second amendment, I do. We do have rights to own weaponry but I don't believe we need to have such extreme weapons.

A pistol, sure. Fine. But you need to have tests. I see getting a gun license like a drivers permit. You need to have background checks to see if you are physically and mentally capable of owning a firearm. Also, I think if you do have a gun license, you need to have an annual test. Once a year. Spend like an hour at a shooting range, get tested, meet with a therapist for an hour session about owning a gun. I know it won't stop criminals from getting their hands on a weapon but it's a start.

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Post by Captain Venku on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:44 am

You two never even looked into getting a gun license, have you? Because we DO have to jump through those hoops. We do have background checks. To buy a pistol, you have to wait three days to get it for a national background check. For a Tactical Stamp (to get a short barrel rifle or shotgun, a fully auto rifle, a .50 cal rifle.), three months. The conceal carry license requires you to take a twenty hour course in gun safety and teaches you where you can and cannot carry a concealed weapon unless you were former military. And if people were allowed to carry firearms in such places (and I don't just mean pistols, I mean rifles) in public, such actions wouldn't happen. Why? Because people that want to do harm prey on the ones who can't fight back. It's like a bully in school. He will never pick on someone older or bigger than him or someone that he will know will fight back. He will pick the defenseless, weak kids. It's a proven fact. Did you know that in the Colorado shooting, that there was a movie theater closer to the shooters apparment? He didn't go there because the theater allowed people to carry concealed carry weapons, the other one did not. Or the Virginia Tech shooting, you are not allowed to carry firearms, or any arms for that matter, on school grounds.

The reason why we can buy these guns is to balance the power between the people and the government, as it was almost over 200 years ago during the signing of the Constitution. If someone decides to take a fundamental right away, and the military can't or won't stop that person, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the people given by the Constitution to remove that person from power. The second amendment gives the power to the people to defend themselves from both internal and external threats, not to hunt with such weapons.

And if you are you think that people are going to stop just because you take guns away, think again. People will still kill people, it's not the gun. You can kill someone with just about anything. Hell, the same day that the Sandy Hook shooting happened, a man in China went into a school and killed twenty-two people with a kitchen knife. Want to end the violence, end the human condition. That's the real problem. Not guns. The weapons that killed the most people in the entire history of mankind were swords and knives. They were doing it for centuries before the gun was even a though.

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Post by Hanpan on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:31 am

If it saves the lives of innocent children, I couldn't give a damn about people's privacy. If people are perfectly healthy in mind then they need not worry about it, if they aren't well they need the help anyways.

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Post by Captain Venku on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:16 pm

So, you're okay with the background checks? So what you wanted a new kitchen knife set? Do you want to take a background check, a mental sanity check? Because people can kill with those too, and more people are kill yearly with plan kitchen knives than military grade rifles. Why? Because you go to Wall-Mart or Target and by a new set of kitchen knives. Not including that they are in every damn household. And many people don't even lock those up either. When have you ever use that really big knife in your kitchen knife set? You don't need it, why do you have it then? It's the same damn argument.

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Post by Archangel on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:40 pm

It's not the same argument--you are comparing apples to oranges. Knives are not guns, plain and simple. In order to kill me with a knife, you need to be in close range, not so with a gun. I don't believe it took the Colorado killer 3 months to get his weapons, but I could be wrong on that. Regardless, the weapons available on the market today are too dangerous to just sit back and ignore this issue anymore.

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Post by Archangel on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:44 pm

Sorry for the double post, but I'm too lazy to edit and I wanted to add something. State by state laws may be different but I own a shotgun and a hunting rifle, I don't have to have a license for either of them. Nor did I have to take any tests. I know people here in the state of Iowa that have went to a local Wal-Mart and bought a gun same day...just saying

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Post by Captain Venku on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:32 pm

It is the same argument. A weapon in the hands of a killer is a weapon in the hands of a killer. Period. And no, it does not take three months to get a .223 AR-15. The rifle he had was technically a hunting rifle. You can find a .223 hunting rifle that has a thirty round magazine. It is not unheard of. The only difference you are making between a hunting rifle that shoots a .223 and an AR-15 is the fact that it looks like a military grade rifle. The .223 is a very popular round for hunting small game like deer. There are even .22 rim fire AR-15s.

Do you hunt with said weapons? Because if you do, then you need a license, if not you fall in that category where you are just owning weapons to own weapons, then arguing against yourself and there forth a hypocrite.

And as I said before that the Second Amendment was not written to allow the citizenry of the United States to hunt, but to allow the citizenry to defend themselves from tyranny.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

That right there is word for word the second amendment. Granted, this could mean the National Guard, but at the same time, they are controlled by the state. By state, I mean the Federal government. Yes. That is correct, they still receive orders and pay checks from the Federal government. Take this from someone who's been in the military and has know several guardsmen from Air National Guard and Army National Guard.

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Post by Hanpan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:30 am

In Ireland, not even the police carry guns (apart from detectives or the armed unit). And aside from the very rare, and I mean once every few years case where a cop or an innocent person gets shot in a robbery. The only shootings we ever hear about are on criminal shooting another on his doorstep, maybe get one of them every couple of months. Basically gun crimes are extremely low as it's hard to get guns.

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Post by Captain Venku on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:53 am

Oh, I know. I have two friends who live in Ireland. When I asked them where should I go if I go to Ireland, and they said not Dublin. Why? Because people get jumped there. Yes, there aren't many shooting, but how many muggings or stabbings are there. And you still have need of the police! Which means that even with gun laws, you still need them! To make things worse is that you have disarmed the citizens of your country, what's stopping the Government from taking your rights away? That's what the Second Amendment protects. Not the right to hunt and provide food for your family, otherwise you would never have to go to work and make money.

Thats what I have been trying to say this entire time and not a single one of you have tried to argue that point. You've all said how guns are bad and how civilians don't need military grade weaponry. So please, tell me what you're going to do as a disarmed nation, meaning no guns that compare to what the military has when a tyrant or an invading army comes to your country? Are you going to fight with kitchen knives? Or are you going to roll over like the Jews did in Germany. They thought it would stop, but it never did. Think about it.

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Post by Hanpan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:38 pm

Your friends are mistaken, yes there is violence but no increase on anywhere else in the world. Also Limerick is the crime capital of Ireland and was once know as the crime capital of Europe, however the violence was generally confined between criminals.

Maybe owning a gun protected your rights 200 years ago but time's have changed. If the government in even your US decided to take control of people's lives, I'm sure if they had the military on their side, a few hunting rifles wouldn't make a difference.....

As for invading armies...... Freedom Fighters was a video game, you can't liberate your country with a spanner and a few guns Very Happy If a country declared war on your United States.... 1. Your army would more than likely annihilate them. 2. Most countries would just nuke you, you'd retaliate and we'd all die in a nuclear holocaust. 3. Diplomacy from the UN would probably end it before anything happened. So don't think your hunting rifle will make a difference.

An ordinary man owning a gun will never be justified in my opinion. Tbh I'm not a big fan of guns as a whole. Wars were much better when they were fought hand to hand in a manly way. They were real heroes.


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Post by Archangel on Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:39 pm

Ur making no sense. U claim knives are just as dangerous and then u say that they are not as effective as guns. A point I already made. I do have a hunting license I live in Iowa for Pete's sake. As for ur second amendment we don't have tyranny and that isn't a realistic threat at this point in time. If that time comes ppl will find ways to combat their oppressors. It happens all the time in history. Rebels, guerrilla warfare etc

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Post by Captain Venku on Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:52 pm

Do you not agree that a weapon in the hands of a killer is a weapon in the hands of a killer, regardless of it being a knife or a gun? It doesn't need to be as effective. Did I not just give you an example of a man killing 22 school children in China with a knife? Isn't that around the same number as the Sandy Hook shooting? The Chinese have gun laws? Why didn't it save those 22 people in that school stabbings? Didn't I tell you it's not if a person has a gun or not, if that man has the intention of killing, that person will kill with his own hands. The problem is not the weapons themselves, it's the people that uses them. It's the people. An AR-15 or an AK-47 will not and cannot go off by itself. You let a gun sit there, and it won't do anything.

And a man can just as easily take a hunting rifle and shoot up a school or a movie theater. Really, it's not that hard. I personally own a bolt action rifle. It holds five rounds of 7.62x54R. It's a old Russian bolt action infantry rifle, also a hunting rifle, which I use it as. BUT, a man could take such a weapon and use it to kills someone. All these weapons used by these killers are semi-automatic rifles. I can work the bolt on my 80 year old rifle almost as fast as someone can pull the trigger on a semi-automatic rifle. What stops it from being an 'assault rifle'?

Granted, these things probably would never happen, Hanpan, but if they did, would you want to be prepared for such a thing? And things never truly change. People will always want to have power. This goes back to what I said about the human condition. Has humanity, as much as we want to, we cannot control everything we want in life. I have no control over what my boss may do tomorrow. He could fire me without any reason besides he doesn't like me. I have no control over that. But I do have control over if I want to walk into there, shoot him and then myself. (This is an example, by the way. I like my job and my boss, and I think he likes me.) That's control, to decide two people's fate with a pull of a trigger. Do you understand that? People who take another's life is wanting control over the other's life. It's the human condition, not guns, that makes people want to control other people's lives. It's the need of power of telling someone what to do, how to do it and when to do it.

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Post by Hanpan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:12 pm

Still would help if they didn't have the means to do it. yes even without a gun a man could kill another man with a blunt object, or a knife or even his bare hands. But it's be very hard for a man to walk into a school and kill multiple people with such a weapon, there'd be more time to escape or perhaps male teachers could work together to subdue him. Perhaps you could argue if one of the teachers had a gun too, they could just shoot him...... but that's a vicious circle

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